Free Speech Union spokesperson Jonathan Ayling sits down with National MP for Pakuranga Simeon Brown to discuss Simeon's voting record on a range of controversial Bills (Safe Areas Bill/ Conversion Practices Prohibition Bill). Simeon is candid about the personal cost of taking principled stands in this polarized age and the threat of political polarization more generally and Jonathan and Simeon round off by discussing whether legislation (such as what is being proposed by ACT regarding academic freedoms) may be the key to defeating today's would-be censors. www.fsu.nz/join