Free Speech Union spokesperson Dane Giraud sat with Palmerston North City Councilor Orphee Mikalad to discuss the importance of free speech and alternatives to hate speech. Orphee details his family's fleeing civil war in the Congo and what it was like to campaign for a seat on the council as an African refugee. Orphee discusses the racism he has encountered, why education and engagement are a far better solution than state censorship, the benefit of grassroots rather than top-down anti-racism campaigns, and Dane and Orphee discuss some of the unexpected reactions they have had to bigotry www.fsu.nz/join