Censorship often ends up harming those it seeks to protect. This is sadly becoming a near unchallengeable fact when regarding gender treatment, where a contempt for any criticism or position outside of the sanctioned view has resulted in patient harm and the subsequent closure of a high-profile clinic, along with many European countries reversing their policies in this space. In a thought-provoking episode, Free Speech Union spokesman Dane Giraud speaks to Suzanne Levy, one of Speak Up For Women's new spokeswomen, about her organization's fresh focus post the passing of the Birth, Deaths, and Marriages Bill. Dane and Suzanne also discuss how health systems were compromised through censorship, the current correction taking place, and why we in New Zealand are likely to lag behind.